Just where are these two going to end up establishing themselves? Both have been promoted at a young age but both badly positioned? Are we looking at 2 future loose forwards?

Garry Schofield recently even went as far as suggesting Sutcliffe should be England LF !

I hope both don't end up going the same way as Clarkson....

Sutcliffe has played both halves and loose and looked more suited to the latter, TBF he was meant to play there tonight before Sinfield was withdrawn.

Whereas Ward has mostly been at 2nd row, might be worth a shot to give him a game in the halves. Not entirely sure he'll be the answer but let's ask the question.

Both are back rowers. Ward really needs a injury free run and a full pre season, last year he was excellent in the back row before he injured his shoulder, but he seems to be being asked to play a very physically demanding role before his body is ready for it.

Love Schoey but selecting Sutcliffe for England is barmy.

Why oh why we haven't switched around in last two games in the halfs I do not know. Ward could have been switched there last night, Moon against Catalans.

Halfs is a serious problem for us for weeks, we look so poor in comparison to other teams. Before Sinfields missing games he was looking poor, but perhaps the injury was effecting that. McGuire looks simply finished and an embarrassment to see such a great Leeds player finish his career like this. Sutcliffe, not at one point of the games he has played looks like a genuine long term half, but does work hard in the pack.

You do wonder if Burrow on return, he is going to go straight back in the halfs. Especially considering how good Aiton has looked on return.

Someone needs to take Sutcliffe to one side and explain that he is allowed to run with the ball and take on the line if he's going to be a half-back. So many times on Friday it was just catch and pass, often stood still.

Ward, I don't know. Not mobile or skillful enough for the halves, not currently big or physical enough for the pack. Starting to look like one of those who was good at age group rugby, but struggles in open age.

I'd go for a swap and go for Moon in the halves and Sutcliffe at centre for HKR.

Moon looks like he'd be happy to run at halfback, likewise Hardaker but we've seen he's desperately needed at FB.

At long last others are beginning to see what I saw a long time ago: Hardaker will make a great stand off

....BUT as I also said, when others were clamouring to include BJB at FB and move Zak to centre....(No for gawd's sake no I said; BJB is far too timid/weak in his defence and also weak in his returns) moving the far superior Hardaker from last line of defence will be a BIG mistake. Ahem!

I too would prefer to see Moon given a run at SO alongside Burrow when he returns. Much better!!! However, I think we have already seen that Sutcliffe - like Stevie Ward before him - does not a good centre make. What about moving Moon and bringing in the new kid, Handley, into the three quarters. Can he play centre?

Ward needs a full pre season, the last two hes had shoulder surgery, im sure with a full pre season he will be bulked up

I dont see Sutcliffe long term at Leeds, can see a similar route to what Gaskell has taken

Tbh I really don't think many at all called for Hardaker to be moved to centre to accommodate BJB.

As for Sutcliffe at centre, he had one gig there vs Wigan at Magic as a late replacement for the ill Watkins and the whole team was pretty off that day so wouldn't write him off playing there based on just that one game.

I have been saying the exact same thing about Sutcliffe and Gaskell. They seem so similar to me in their development. Everyone thought Gaskell was the next big star when he broke on the scene. He was a stand off, but Saints realised quite quickly he couldn't do it for them, so tried him in other roles, then decided they should try someone else who may be better. I am sure they don't regret their decision.

However, Sutcliffe has an advantage in that he can play in the pack, and still has time to develop there. So to totally write him off would be wrong, and unlike Saints could be decision we would regret. However, I would like to see them mover sooner rather than later on sorting our future half back options.

Moon at 6. I think we all want him to have a go at it.